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Post by Moriji on Mar 21, 2004 21:14:25 GMT -8
Has anyone here seen the interview by Martin Bashir?
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Post by wildlavender on Mar 23, 2004 0:52:05 GMT -8
No, I have not heard the interview, but would like to. Do you think you could share some of it? Thanks, wildlav.
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Post by Moriji on Mar 24, 2004 2:16:25 GMT -8
From the way Michael Jackson talked about his children in the interview, I could tell that he engages in covert incest. It was obvious that he uses his kids to satisfy his own needs. He's living out all his childhood fantasies through them, with little regard to their needs.
At one point in the program, Michael took his children to the zoo. Although it turned into a media circus because the media was tipped off about it, Michael insisted on taking his kids to see the gorillas. They only got to see the gorillas for 5 minutes. When Bashir asked Michael why he insisted on taking his kids to see the gorillas in such a frenzied atmosphere, he cried, "But I wanted to see the gorillas!" Well, now we know who really wanted to go to the zoo.
Another thing I found appalling was how he made his kids wear masks in public. It is sickening. He said he does it for their protection, because he gets abduction threats constantly. So making your kids walk around outside with masks on is supposed to protect them from being abducted? And why did he have kids in the first place if he was so concerned about them being in the limelight? Well obviously, it was for purely selfish reasons--he wanted them for emotional support.
I also saw another program that criticized Bashir (the interviewer). They showed footage that was filmed on the side where Bashir praised Michael as a "loving parent" who would never harm his kid. This was to rebuke his allegations that Michael was an out of control parent who was dangerous to children.
Now here is my take on all this. Bashir wanted to get his story so bad that he kissed Michael's ass to be able to get full access to his family. Although his methods of getting the story were of a questionable nature, that does not take away from the fact that the way Michael raises his kids are unnacceptable. Michael is using his children for his own emotional fulfillment, without any consideration for their well-being.
It was just really sad to see someone who had an unhappy childhood because his parents forced him into stardom, reclaim his youth by living through his children.
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Post by wildlavender on Mar 24, 2004 3:50:47 GMT -8
I fully agree with you. wildlavender
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Post by Moriji on Mar 24, 2004 21:49:48 GMT -8
Here's some more from that interview...
Bashir asked Michael why he has kids sleep over with him in his bed. Michael got irritated and said there was no molesting going on. He said it was all sweet and innocent, they would just eat cookies and milk in bed together. Michael then went on to say, "What we need is more love in this world, not less." What Michael doesn't realize is he is violating their boundaries. He's undoubtedly overcompensating for the lack of love he received as a child by giving them lots of "love." But what kind of "love" is this?
They also interviewed the woman who supposedly gave birth to his kids. She said that although she didn't want to have kids herself, she knew Michael wanted to have kids really bad and therefore she wanted to give him children as a gift. "You have to be a father," she told him.
In my opinion, Michael is using the children to satisfy his own emotional needs. He even went so far to say that if all the children of the world suddenly disappeared, he would jump off of a building because he wouldn't want to live in a world without children.
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Post by Moriji on Jun 4, 2004 1:05:46 GMT -8
Nah, I think it's perfect!  By the way, I've seen you on the mailing list for ages but never heard a peep from you. Glad that you're actually a survivor and not an imposter!  Anyway, I've given you access to the survivor forums. You'll find a lot more stuff in there. |
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Post by Moriji on Jun 4, 2004 1:08:43 GMT -8
One more thing, I totally agree with you that someone who's in denial of his or her own faults is more dangerous than someone who isn't.
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Post by Moriji on Jun 4, 2004 17:21:03 GMT -8
ha ha, yeah, I finally took some time to read some of the messages on the group, and I discovered this message board. I read the whole message you wrote about your friend from 10 years ago. I identified. I went back to college last year and graduated. I tried to reacquaint myself with some of the people I used drugs with. It didn't go well. The most promising one was great, but then he went and died in October. The last time I talked to him, he sincerely apologized for providing me with the LSD and the Ecstasy which fueled a complete psychotic break. Sorry to hear about your friend. My uncle did acid in the '70s and it made him schizophrenic. He was committed to a mental asylum for a while. He walked the streets naked, painted his room white (including the curtains!), and thought he was Jesus Christ. He turned out alright though, unlike my mother. Anyway, you're up late! I had trouble falling asleep last night!  Over the years, especially the last one that my father was alive, I learned that she will say she's sorry if I ask her to, but it doesn't mean anything. Sounds just like my mother.  Badiou is affiliated with the Lacanian school of Psychoanalysis. Very intense, deep stuff. Not easy reading at all. Another French guy you should check out is Andre Green. He wrote an essay called "The Dead Mother", in which he describes a syndrome in the case of a child whose mother is clinically depressed (not existentially deceased) and this is in many cases as bad, or worse, than the literal sense of the phrase. The child is prone to the tendency to overcompensate by becoming extremely brilliant and all. Anyway, in my therapy with a psychoanalyst, I mourned my "dead mother". I never cried so deeply, and I really don't think I ever will. My father died two months later, and it was all about the injustice of him getting sick. But there was something about crying over my "dead mother" who is still ALIVE, that just is beyond compare. I would love to make it into a movie. I don't know how I could recreate it, but in my dreams it would rank up there with About Schmidt, My Girl and Old Yeller. Maybe above. Yeah, I know what you mean. It was like I never had a mom. Instead, I was married to a narcissistic, overbearing woman for 18 years. I'll have to check out that book. Anyway, shouldn't all this be in my introduction page? Yes, but what the hell.  |
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Post by Moriji on Jun 4, 2004 17:22:28 GMT -8
By the way, would you be interested in having your MJ article on the CovertIncest.org website?
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Post by kire on Jun 4, 2004 21:18:14 GMT -8
yeah, I give you permission to use the article wherever you want
just spell my name right, Erik Anderson
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Post by Moriji on Jun 6, 2004 23:03:59 GMT -8
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Post by persephone on Aug 28, 2004 11:52:17 GMT -8
I've watched some of the interview that showed Michael with his children. The way he "held" and fed his baby made me incredibly anxious. I had to turn it off.
He has always set off loud warning bells in me - I think he lies as naturally as he breathes. I also think he's a pathological narcissist - everything, every encounter, every choice is always about "him". The world is his mirror. His sense of entitlement ignores boundaries.
Any parent who lets their child near him is in denial!
persephone
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Post by kire on Aug 23, 2008 23:32:01 GMT -8
I would like to go on record that I asked Moriji by private message to please remove my name from the article he posted several years ago linked in this thread.
I don't know why he didn't respond. It is making me uncomfortable to have my name associated with this.
Does anybody know who is responsible for taking this down?
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Post by Moriji on Aug 24, 2008 10:30:31 GMT -8
I wrote you a message and you never responded!
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